Thursday, January 20, 2005
Aboreal Prowler, Read and Reply
Keiru Emerald
Sir Prowler, It has been brought to my attention that you have committed several acts that need to either be handled, or may result in your being banned from the boards. The charges against you, as presented by myself, Keiru Emerald, are as follows.
1. Fudging the Dedication test when it was clearly stated only two outcomes, other than death, were possible. Silver and I both take partial responsibility, for perhaps it was not completely clear that there are only two outcomes, and that we did not correct you quickly enough.
2. You have spammed in forums, and though spam is not the most uncommon thing on this board, it seems that It was either done in a disrespectful manner, or in a manner that infringed upon others. This was brought to my attention by Keiru Ruby, which leads me to the third charge.
3. You have been disrespectful to Keiru, and though you have never done such to me, I have read PM's that you have sent to Ruby, as well as at least one crack you've made against her in general.
4. You have ignored previously set standards in the world, things that I would classify that as ignorance of knowledge influencing one's story. These occurrences are spread throught your story and include but not limited to: Creating a royalty of Balanum, when no such thing exists, (I know you ammended this problem, yet there are others), your ability to seemingly jump from continent to continent, and ignoring standards set in posts by Til'Sylvanna Evenstar, as well as others within Evisis.
5. Finally, there is the simple fact that your character is extremely powerful, and yet he seems to have no drawbacks. He has the ability to kill many, many men, and come out with but a scratch. He can pass through Evisis without being killed by wolf or Elwain, though he is human, and enemy to both of the clans, is a huge power in itself. Many have complained that though most of the stories within Aeterna bend the rules of reality, your story breaks the rules.
Some examples follow, all direct quotes made by you:
"In fact, [Aboreal Prowler] kills almost as many people in the Woods (Evisis) as the wolves (Fiero) do."
"Sometimes they're (the rangers) foolish enough to attack a caravan with an escort, and end up getting cut down by horsemen. However, they are almost invincible in the forest, like the Arboreal Prowler is. Even a disciplined army (such as Tibaron's) can not get through the Evisis Woods at night without suffering severe casualties."
"All the Rangers attacked the Prowler at once, but he fought with incredible skill. No man could have possibly fought off that many men so easily. Soon he had killed them all, including Adrol."
"Suddenly, a great, black arm was thrust out of the darkness and into his chest. The fist dug around in his chest, and pulled out the Prowler's heart. The hand withdrew back into the darkness with the heart, and the laughter grew louder and more sinister."
In all truth, I would rather you amend your ways and see you remain here on the boards as a contributer to the great story of Aeterna, but if you do not see the error of your ways, or refuse to change your characters (Don't think we don't know who everybody is...) to more reasonable standards of storytelling, then we will be forced to take a more aggressive stand against you in the form of banning your IP address from accessing the boards. Not only that, but we would delete both of your characters' accounts and eliminate your posts from the story threads. Note however that this is not a threat. This is your choice, Sir Prowler. Choose wisely, and post your reply to the charges, or other choices, in this thread.
Keiru Emerald
Keriu Sliver
Keriu Rudy
Keiru Cobalt...whose banner did not fit but does endorse the documented information.
Keiru Onyx...whose banner also does not fit, but also endorses the documented information.
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Sekirah Partam
I know, I'm neither a Keiru or Arboreal, but I have a charge to add to that list, if you would have it.
Back in Chapter 7, my character was raked into one of Arboreal's posts without my permission. This affected the stories of myself and my companions, Caliph and Orocia, albiet minorly and we were able to work around it. Here is the exact quote:
"The Arboreal Prowler looked across the tavern at another table full of people. One of them was a Holy Knight, he could tell. He hoped he wouldn't get in the way. They tend to be righteous."
Though it was easy to straighten out, he still should have consulted me and/or Caliph before hand.
Edit: When I said, "my character" I meant Zander.
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Finrandel
There's no need to throw anymore stones. I'm sure he gets the general idea of what's up.
Right, Mr. Prowler?
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Arboreal Prowler
I've never actually insulted Ruby. You obviously misunderstood me.
And if you guys had read all of what is currently happening to my character, you would realize that the reason why Prowler is currently almost invincible is because Krol took his soul, and Prowler is now controlled by evil. (note, Krol is not as powerful as he thinks he is). If you'll recall, Camieron almost killed him in battle. Nomed almost killed him several times.
I admit to the time-warp stuff. Sorry bout that.
Prowler does kill almost as many people in the E. Woods as the Fiero do. However, this is because not a lot of people are stupid enough to wander in there alone, and those that do, are frequently killed by the Arboreal Prowler before the wolves have a chance.
Any problems with my treatise: I sent it to Keiru Silver before I posted it, and he OK'd it (unless I terribly misunderstood it).
About the spam: true, but I only did it a couple of times, unwittingly, and I haven't done it since.
Sekirah: I was just mentioning you guys. I actually wasn't cueing you guys. I didn't know I needed permission to mention someone. I thought I worked this out with (Orocia, I think?) by PM.
Almost all the charges on here are bogus, except for the thing about the Dedication. However, I don't care any more. Ban me. I don't want be a part of this place now. I've seen people do way more questionable stuff than I have, and this is just BS.
Good bye. Delete all my posts. I don't care. See you later. Adios. Have fun.
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Palin Freeborn
That is a poor additude to have. I've been here only a few weeks and already I've seen most of these accusations proven true. I was kinda hoping you'd think it over and change your ways, but I have to agree with Til'sylvanna now. You're sarcastic, you bend rules, you insult and manipulate people intentionally, and I find you generally to be quite a pain in the ass. I do hope the Keirus see fit to delete your stuff. It would really help the additude and atmosphere of this place.
Keep in mind Keirus that these were the complaints I meant to post earlier when I read the things he said to Til.
Palin
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Orocia Agua
Zander/Sekirah: To stand up for the guy, he did not cue us, but merely gave a tip of the hat, a "recognition" that we were also there, which should have been viewed positively. Perhaps you read too much into what he wrote? To use your excerpt:
"The Arboreal Prowler looked across the tavern at another table full of people. One of them was a Holy Knight, he could tell. He hoped he wouldn't get in the way. They tend to be righteous."
Where does it imply that the character Arboreal Prowler had intentions of including the aforementioned Holy Knight and company?
Also, if you were seriously concerned with involvement, a simple PM, as I wrote to Arboreal, would have easily cleared up any misunderstanding. I wrote Prowler and asked if he intended to involve us, and he politely replied back that he did not, and instead had many ideas he wanted to write out with his character.
So Zander, I'm a slight bit disappointed in what you brought up. It seemed a little "join the 'Let's Hate Arboreal Prowler' bandwagon"-ish.
I am viewing this as objectively as possible. I feel neither animosity nor friendliness toward Arboreal Prowler, for I have not felt much affected by anything he has written. What I want to see is this guy to be treated fairly. He (or She, mind you!) is only writing a story. Yes, he bent the rules.
And Keiru Emerald did an excellent job of clearly describing what Arboreal Prowler was doing wrong. I agreed with all excpet for point #1. On point #1, I must stress that it is the responsibility of the Keiru to check on such things as dedications, and notice anything wrong and quickly point any discrepancies out promptly. This the Keiru did not do, therefore point #1 is a mute point because both Arboreal Prowler and the Keiru are in the wrong. Prowler did not abide by dedication rules, and the Keiru did not promptly point such bending of the rules out. ALTHOUGH, Keiru Silver DID point it out a little later (and I'm guessing as soon as he possibly could have, I don't imagine it being easy to keep up with all the characters and plots on these boards!) and admitted to not being prompt. I believe Silver also allowed for Arboreal's "creativity":
Okay, Arboreal, I generally don't allow people to do what you did with your Dedication. I'll allow it on the basis that it's creative (and on my failure to catch it sooner). But please post in your profile what you've done.
Oh, and you can remove the profile for your character is a youth. It's a tad confusing, and unnecessary. Just make sure you update the profile for your adult chara.
The above statement can be found on page 10 of the Chapter 7 Archives.
Silver, I respect you highly, and I personally thought it was neat of you to allow this bending of the rules, because I wanted to see what Arboreal would do with it.
Well, to finish. This ultimately is an issue between the person behind the character Arboreal Prowler and the Keiru, and the final judgement is up to the Keiru. They are the "God"s of this little fantasy world continually being created on these boards.
But I agree with Palin Freeborn, Arboreal Prowler. You had a poor attitude in the end. I honestly wanted you to figure something out and continue writing. You disappointed me the most.
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Arboreal Prowler
I just want to get a point across.
ATTENTION!! **THIS** IS THE MOST DISRESPECT I EVER SHOWED TO **ANYONE** ON THIS WEBSITE:
In response to accusations that I was spamming (and I really didn't know where I had committed this crime) I sent Keiru Ruby this message:
"I have no idea what the hell posts you're talking about. Enlighten me."
THAT'S IT!! IF ANY OF YOU THINK THAT ANY THING ELSE I WROTE WAS DISRESPECTFUL OR RUDE, YOU ARE TRULY SHELTERED.
I have made a valid effort to remain within the rules on these message boards. Except for the thing about the Dedication, I have checked with Keiru Silver about EVERYTHING! If anyone had a problem with how "good" of a fighter (a little rich kid named Camieron almost killed him in battle. Yeah, Prowler's REAL good, huh?), then why didn't you confront me BEFORE? When I could have easily changed it?
I can understand Emerald and Ruby and Cobalt being angry, but when I saw Silver's signature on that post, I just couldn't take it. Silver, I've been checking EVERYTHING with you!
Here is what I wrote him after I sent him my treatise on the Woods and the Rangers:
"Okay, I'm done with that. Apparently, the last part didn't get sent to you, so I had to write that part over again.
I just want to ask: was all that stuff in the treatise acceptable? None of it contradicted any "hard facts" about the Evisis Woods? If so, then that's good. It is, after all, my specialty, right? I mean, I am the Arboreal Prowler.
If I should change any of the information, however, just tell me. **I'll be more than happy to.**"
I wrote this message to Silver asking about the Holy Sword and Shadow Sword:
"Also, here's what I had in mind about what the Sword's powers are:
The Holy Sword protects the wielder from shadow magic, and also grants proficiency when battling shadow mages/warriors. However, it can not be used to kill a holy mage/priest/knight.
The Shadow Sword protects the wielder from holy magic, and also grants proficiency when battling holy knights/mages. However, it can not be used to kill a shadow mage/warrior.
Similar attributes apply to the other Swords they found in the Temple, as was demonstrated in the battle with the demon."
He eventually agreed with all this. HE APPROVED IT.
I PM'd him this message asking him about Lord Krol:
"And by the way, I need something cleared up.
Is it impossible for a powerful shadow mage to exist without serving the Chosen and the Veri and all those guys? Because I'm kind of unsure about that. If so, I can change it.
I kind of like the idea of Krol being a Servile who hates Prowler. So how about this: Krol is after the Prowler, trying to get the Shadow Sword as well as kill him. If Prowler flees to the Evisis Woods to get Krol off his back, could I continue the story after The Darkening is over (if it ever is over)?"
That was in response to Silver telling me I should wait until after the current conflict to be over before continuing my story about an independent Shadow mage.
This is another PM to Silver:
"Unfortunately, I saw the "top-secret information" on that other thread before you closed it. The stuff about The Darkening.
I've just got a question to ask (by the way, my lips are sealed about it. don't worry). As you probably know, I'm being hunted by a bunch of shadow warriors who want the Shadow Sword. I started this part of my story before I knew about The Darkening and
ll that stuff.
Should I have this story be a major part of the global events like the Darkening? Because that guy you wrote about said "I have found a very powerful artifact that has recently surfaced." Are you talking about the Shadow Sword, or something else?
I'm a little bit cautious about moving forward before I know everything that's going on. Could you fill me in on this issue?
In other words: is the Shadow Sword and the Prowler's story going to have a major impact on Aeterna? If so, how?
Thanks."
I was making sure he wasn't making the Shadow Sword become a major conflict-piece. He had mentioned a powerful artifact, and I wanted to make sure it wasn't the Shadow Sword.
This is a PM to Silver checking to make sure my story line was okay with him. Note: this is not the same storyline that I had decided to use recently:
"Well, what I was planning was that there's this powerful shadow mage (as in REALLY powerful) that wants the shadow sword. His name is Lord Krol, and he lives in Balanum. That's why Prowler is going there right now. He goes there, and finds that Laura is an aristocrat. He gets distracted, and is captured by Krol. He's tortured, but manages to escape with help from Laura. She tells him to go see an old wise man, who then tells Prowler that only one thing can destroy Krol. The Prowler realizes he is talking about the Holy Sword, which they had left in the Temple in the Evisis Woods. So he has to go back into the Temple to get it. Then he goes after Krol again with the Holy Sword. The logic behind this is that the Ice Sword protected Prowler from the demon's fire magic. Thus, the Holy Sword can protect him from Krol's shadow magic, and can be used to kill him."
I recall him OKing this. The storyline I ended up following was that the Arboreal Prowler was captured by Krol (the Prowler is NOT very strong in fighting, I thought this was clear) and Krol actually took his soul. That's what that was all about when he took Prowler's heart out.
I have checked EVERYTHING about my story with Silver. The spamming: guilty as charged. The bogus Dedication: guilty as charged. But all those other charges are BS!!
With the crack about Barbara Streisand, I meant that I would probably find out Keiru Ruby (someone with authority to BAN me) would see my comment insulting Barbara Streisand, and ban me because I made fun of the singer. It was a joke. But you people obviously have NO sense of humor. Get out more.
I just can't believe Silver is supporting the charges that I don't play by the rules. Sure, I had a bad Dedication thing. But everything else, I CHECKED WITH SILVER!!
That's why I don't care about this anymore. If this kind of BS can happen here, I don't want to be a part of it.
I'll say it once more:
I HAVE ALWAYS CHECKED EVERYTHING WITH SILVER!!
Now, good bye.
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Arboreal Prowler
Read my above statement, Orocia. And thanks for sticking up for me, somewhat.
But I respected Keiru Silver (yes, respected him/her) for being so friendly with me. Emerald had never bothered me, so I thought he was cool with me too. However, I thought Ruby didn't like me from the get-go. Threatening to ban me because I spammed twice?! That's just lame.
Keiru Silver even told me
"By the way, I really appreciate the fact that you're taking the time to straighten this out before posting. It speaks very highly of you, I get the feeling you are a very responsible person, and I'm glad to have you on my site."
In response to one of my PM's when I was checking something with him. I was under the impression that he was cool with what I was doing. Maybe it was because he formally approved everything that I ended up doing.
I know this should seem like a trivial matter, but I was literally heartbroken when I saw his signature on that post protesting my actions. He approved EVERYTHING that I did. I really don't understand this.
Sure, I had a little tension with Evenstar about putting information about the elves in my Treatise on the Evisis Woods. She wanted me to remove it, and I REMOVED IT AS SOON AS I SAW HER POST. It's just that the way she phrased what she said, it sounded like she was really ORDERING me around. I was angry, but I made the requested changes, then asked her, as politely as possible (I'm not good at that, I admit) to not order me around. You know, I had about 70 experience and she only had like 15. So I was a little peeved when she ordered me like that. BUT when she told me that Keiru Ruby had told her to say that, I was OKAY with it. I withdrew my complaint. However, I was a little suspicious about Ruby's involvement, but I COMPLIED. I did not put up a fuss about that.
During my time here, I have been as COOPERATIVE and COMPLIANT, and as POLITE as I could possibly be. And Keiru Silver's involvement in these accusations is just atrocious. Since Ruby was hostile toward me, and Emerald seemed to avoid contact with me from the get-go, I thought Keiru Silver was my one ally around here. I thought he was the only reasonable moderator around here. But I was wrong.
That's an error of judgement on my part. I thought Silver was a reasonable guy, but I was wrong if he actually does support these accusations. I'm shocked, and a little bit heartbroken about Silver's involvement here.
And Palin, ever since I was told about the Elves's objections to my involvement with them, I have been avoiding contact with you guys. I've been trying not to violate any of the Elven "rules" and all that. I have been instead involving myself with Rangers and the Fiero, with whom I have every right to involve myself. I haven't been interfering with the Elves or any of you guys AT ALL. I have been minding my own business. When I'm corrected, I learn. I don't see your point of view.
Finally, if Keiru Ruby can really support any claims that I have been rude toward ANYONE (except that one PM I sent in reply to accusations that I was spamming), then she must be making up PM's or something.
**In fact, when Ruby accused me of spamming, I was REALLY tempted to start saying things like this in my post: "Gee, I hope this isn't spam." Or after posting part of my story: "Man, this part of my story didn't have anything to do with the other people here, so this is probably spam." I felt like making fun of Ruby and calling her all sorts of names.
But I didn't. KNOW WHY? Because I'm not a rude person. I'm civilized. I have self-restraint. I wanted to show all KINDS of disrespect to Keiru Ruby, but I DIDN'T. I'm not allowed to SHOW disrespect, I agree with that rule. But I think I'm entitled to secretly dislike someone if I want to, as long as I don't SHOW my disrespect.**
Almost all of the accusations are completely bogus. And the main reason why I don't want to be a part of this place anymore is because Keiru Silver isn't supporting me. In fact, he's OPPOSING me on this. I had CHECKED EVERYTHING with him. He has NO reason to support these accusations.
If he does, then it must be a reason that I haven't realized. If there is a reason for accusing me that has not been told yet, I want to hear it. I want to KNOW why Keiru Silver is supporting these accusations. I really thought he was cool with everything I was doing. In fact, he TOLD me he was cool with everything I was doing. This is totally bogus.
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Finrandel
I find it funny you say we have no real sense of humor... if you only knew us.
That had no bearing on anythign. Sorry. But this does.
First, everyone calm down. Second, I agree, your character is a bit powerful. It's something very hard to keep in check. "Almost" killed means nothing, because you were back up on your feet in a few posts. I mean, honestly, who wants a character who has been too injured to be effective anymore? But, many of us have made overly powerful characters, and we have learned how to control it a bit better, you see what I'm saying? Check out the old Asheri page, Silver left a link to it somewhere. You'll see some damn powerful characters there. And if you happen to read the whole thing, you'll understand why we are afraid of having that happen again. We're trying to help you. And while it may seem a bit bitchy, that's because it is. There's no other way to say it. Suck it up, realize you've been a tad out of line, and keep writing.
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Tygan deParte
Hate to see you go Prowler, your a great writer.
*bows to Prowler*
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Arboreal Prowler
Yeah that's right, Finrandel (sorry about spelling), Camieron ALMOST killed me. Nomed ALMOST killed me. The main reason that I had those things in my story was to show that the Prowler is NOT INVINCIBLE in battle. In fact, he's the opposite of invincible.
Camieron put his sword through the Prowler. He wounded him! Prowler had to be RESCUED by Ilona, who shot Camieron with a long bow.
Nomed had Prowler PINNED TO THE GROUND. His sword was on Prowler's throat! Prowler was as good as DEAD!! But Laura came along and saved his butt. She came up behind Nomed and put her sword to his throat.
Prowler is anything BUT invincible. I admit, the time-warping thing was unacceptable. But nobody has ever objected to it before! Why didn't anybody object to this sooner? I would have changed it! But since I was interacting with absolutely NOBODY ELSE at the time, it didn't negatively effect anyone else. The Arboreal Prowler has not interacted with ANYONE ELSE on these message boards yet. There is no way that my current storyline could be affecting anyone negatively (if I'm wrong, then there must be something that hasn't been brought to my attention).
IMPORTANT
**When the Arboreal Prowler killed ten rangers in battle at once, IT WAS BECAUSE HIS BODY HAD BEEN POSSESSED BY KROL!! THE ARBOREAL PROWLER WAS NO LONGER IN HIS BODY!! PURE EVIL IS CONTROLLING HIM AT THE MOMENT, SO HE IS VERY POWERFUL **TEMPORARILY**. AT THE END OF THIS PART OF MY STORY, I WAS GOING TO HAVE THE "EVIL SPIRIT" LEAVE HIS BODY, AND HE WOULD RETURN TO BEING HIS OLD SELF AGAIN, NOT A VERY GOOD FIGHTER.**
These are the Arboreal Prowler's advantages:
He can hide so well in the forest that nobody could possibly find him. He also knows his way around the forest perfectly. Thus his name. If you knew what happened in my Dedication (which was bogus, I admit, but the Keirus passively approved it), you would know this.
His only other advantage is that he is an excellent marksman. Other than that, he is a pathetic fighter. He can't handle a sword much better than a squire.
"I'm impressed, Prowler. Most of Camieron's opponents don't last more than five seconds, but you lasted for ten minutes," said Ilona.
SHE WAS TRYING TO MAKE HIM FEEL BETTER ABOUT HIS PATHETIC SWORDSMANSHIP.
The Arboreal Prowler is not invincible. I tried to demonstrate this, but you obviously didn't notice it, or you didn't read my story.
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Arboreal Prowler
If you want to ban me because of the time-warping or the continent-jumping, then BAN ME BECAUSE OF THAT. All the other charges are bogus. I have explained all this in my above posts on this topic.
Almost all the charges are based on misunderstandings.
And Palin, the ONLY negative thing I said to Til. Evenstar was this:
"I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't order me around."
Since she had been here about one-fourth as long as I had, I felt that she was insulting me by telling me what to do. NEVERTHELESS, I complied with her request to edit my post (refer to my Treatise on Evisis Woods if you don't know what we're talking about). But then, when I found out a Keiru had approved what Evenstar said, I HAD NO FURTHER OBJECTION.
Anyone that thinks I have shown real disrespect toward them, is way too sensitive or misunderstood me.
If you want to ban me because I did the time-warp stuff, then I'm fine with that. BUT DON'T BAN ME BECAUSE OF THOSE OTHER CHARGES. THEY'RE BOGUS.
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Zander Kohen
My I be the first to bow in apology and shame Arboreal. My accusation was way out of line, (thank you Orocia and Finrandel for pointing that out). I am as much in the wrong there as you were.
Sure, you should have talked to me, Orocia or Caliph before posting anything to do with our characters, but I should have had the good sense to PM you about it like Orocia had instead of whining about it here. All may disregard my previous post in this thread and I only hopw Arboreal can find it in his heart to forgive me. We all screw up, we all get out of line. Good sense is to admit it and move on.
I admit my wrongs, and I move on. I withdraw any complaints I've made against Arboreal; he has a clean slate as far as I'm concerned.
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Arboreal Prowler
Before you ban me and delete all my posts, could you let me copy down my story onto my hard drive? I'd like to keep a record of all that. Thanks
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Orocia Agua
A few more reflections:
"3. You have been disrespectful to Keiru, and though you have never done such to me, I have read PM's that you have sent to Ruby, as well as at least one crack you've made against her in general."
I must say that "PM"s are private messages. We understand what private means, right? Whatever was said in those messages should be contested only by the people who actually spoke to each other between their private messages. The rest of us should not be interested, unless what was said concerns these boards and truly needed to be made public for our benefit. Emerald, you may have read those PMs addressed to Ruby, but the rest of us have not and so we really cannot judge for ourselves if the PM's were disrespectful-- everyone has their own individual moral standards. Perhaps the "crack" made against Ruby could be a viable charge, but then could it not also have been discussed between Ruby and Arboreal? I would like to have faith in both Keiru Ruby and Arboreal Prowler that they can speak with each other on their own terms and clear up any misunderstandings between them without help. We may not all be legal adults, but we're all mature enough to discuss and clear up misunderstandings between ourselves and not need "referees" to settle personal disputes.
But, if the charges in point #3 are so dire, then I think they should be clarified in this thread now.
And Arboreal, the poor attitude I refer to is your attitude of quitting. I want to say from the last post, concerning discussions between you and Keiru Silver, that it seems to me you would like to stay. I would like you to stay too.
Everyone even REMOTELY INVOLVED needs to speak up, add their two cents, and come to their OWN DEFENSE if they don't want any more misunderstandings. So far, Arboreal has done that.
Accusations being made here are reflecting back on those accused. I'm trying to stay as OBJECTIVE and FAIR as possible from everything I've read here and discussed in private conversations. But I have no judgement on this save for my own personal opinion. I ask that the Keiru, who DO have rightful judgement, to please do the same. I trust you to.
"Speak now or forever hold your peace."
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Arboreal Prowler
Thanks for the support then, Zander. Is that why you haven't been talking to me lately? I sent you a PM recently.
Look, if Keiru Silver isn't on my side, then I don't want to be here. I thought he was cool with me, and I'm kind of just heartbroken at his support of the accusations. So if he supports the accusations, then I don't care about being banned.
The only reason I'm arguing here is to protect my good name. Like I said: I have been as polite, cooperative, and compliant as possible since I first started posting. I believe that I am right in this case. I think that most of the accusations are based on misunderstandings, and a possible grudge that Ruby has against me.
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Palin Freeborn
It seems that some of my info may be incorrect. After running over some of the past day's conversations, (I save some on word for future use.) I realized that some of my information was misinterpreted. 'Twas the mention of Til'sylvanna's comments that made me check. I realize that through conversations with K. Ruby and Til'sylvanna that I have misunderstood some comments by others and I ask that you do not hold that to them, but rather my fault. I do, however, hold to my other positions. Just clearing up a misunderstanding made on my part.
Palin
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Zander Kohen
No, I haven't replied because your inbox has been full when I've tried and it wouldn't let me send it. I'd be happy to talk to you on an instant messanger if you have one.
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Keiru Silver
Okay, I responded in PM before even seeing any of this. This deserves to be said, and perhaps will allow for a better understanding of myself.
Arboreal, perhaps I need to be more straightforward when dealing with people. It is a personal flaw with me.
The fact of the matter is, had I simply stuck to my guns and told you to alter your dedication post, this may have been totally averted. I'm not wholly convince, but...
Let's say this. There is a forum that is invisible to everyone but the Keiru. There was a heated discussion as to whether or not we should axe your character. Keiru Cobalt, who is always last to speak in these matters, and always seems to know best, was in favor of giving you a chance to reform. I agreed.
It is my fault for letting this get out of hand, I admit that freely. We created this world with as few limiting factors as we could, but the ones that are in place are there for a reason. When I read your dedication post, I was acutely aware of the potential for disaster. I let it go, because I thought it would be rude to tell a newbie to change his post. I certainly didn't want to lose a member. But raised as I was, I was taught not to say anything unless you had a better solution. I had none, but I tried to think of something. By then, your story had already progressed.
My personal judgement is this: I stood in your defense in the council, but it was unanimous that something needed to be done about your story and your character. This is up to you, not me, loathe as I am to cast off responsibility.
I will not say that changing your character will change the other member's opinions. I, however, would like to see you remain on the boards. There are many who would not, and if it were not for me and Cobalt, you may have been banned without notice.
If you have MSN IM, and would like to speak one on one with me about a new character (I do not believe we can significantly lower AP's powers without destroying your storyline, however, if you can convince me otherwise...), you can contact me via derekmadams@hotmail.com.
(There's a bit here I edited out regarding my relationship with Keiru Ruby) You are an excellent writer, but your characters need to be more easy to relate to, with weaknesses and such.
Anyway, let me know how you feel. Even if you want to tell me to shove it, please contact me anytime. I'm usually on 10pm to 2am CST.
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Arboreal Prowle
Well, I'm relieved to find that you at least supported me. Thanks.
But, you know, there were SO MANY things that I PM'd you about, to check with you on whether or not they were okay. All you needed to do was tell me "no", and I would've changed it. Instead you let it all pile up until I get booted. And, no offence, but I don't think I want to be part of a message board that is run like that.
I'm not necessarily quitting; I'd love to stay here and continue to be a part of this story. But if the place is run so poorly, I don't know if I CAN stay. I'm sorry.
About my character being so powerful:
I've made every effort to keep from making the Arboreal Prowler seem invincible. He has had a terrible performance in sword fights in the past. His ONLY advantages are his amazing skill with moving in the forest (which is due to his Dedication) and his marksmanship with a long bow. That's it. He sucks at fencing (though my profile might say otherwise).
However, right now he can kick butt. And this is because he is POSSESSED. If you want me to change that, then no problem, I will.
But here's my current plans for my story:
Arboreal Prowler gets his soul stolen by Krol. Krol captures Laura and sends the Arboreal Prowler to retrieve the Holy Sword. The Arboreal Prowler fights his way through the Evisis Woods Temple, and gets the Holy Sword. He brings it to Krol, but Laura somehow "wakes" Prowler up from his possession (I was figuring out how exactly she does this when I found out about these accusations), and Prowler uses the Holy Sword (which is really lethal to Shadow mages) to kill Krol. The Prowler has returned to normal, and is his old self again, a pathetic swordsman.
The reason he was able to kill so many of Nomed's guys in the forest a while back, was because HE WAS IN THE FOREST. He can easily hide there.
About my Dedication: you guys passively approved of what I did there. And according to my Dedication, the Arboreal Prowler can hide with extreme ease in the woods, and knows his way around in there very well.
However, outside the forest the Arboreal Prowler is as easy to kill as a housefly. The thing is, Tibaron is always there to save his butt. I've always tried to demonstrate the Prowler's vulnerability outside the forest, but apparently I've failed.
If you allow me to stay, I will tone down the Arboreal Prowler's fighting skills. However, he needs to be able to keep his forestry skill. Otherwise, I need to change everything that's happened to him so far, and I'd even need to change his name (which means "prowler of the trees").
In short, HE HAS A WEAKNESS. He sucks at fighting. I guess I've done a poor job of demonstrating this, but it is true.
Finally, if Private Messages that I sent to Ruby are being used as evidence against me, I should see them so that I can defend myself.
Silver, you can testify that I've always been cooperative and compliant. I've always checked everything with you (except the Dedication) and in the past I've changed several things in my story. If I end up getting banned for that, then this is a very poorly run website. If I end up getting banned for having too powerful of a character, then there have been A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
And if I do end up being forced to change my character and my story, could I have some time to think about it? I think I deserve that.
Thanks.
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Tygan deParte
Ok this really doesn't have to do with the charges. But more your story. Now your possesed by shadow magic and he has you going for the holy sword which stops shadow magic. Perhaps he never thought that when you pick up the sword his spell will be canceled?
Just a thought =)
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Arboreal Prowler
I have ONE more thing to say before I go to sleep:
Since the members here are the meat of these message boards, their opinions should probably count for quite a bit (correct me if I'm wrong, here). And obviously, a lot of people are against me for showing disrespect to other members.
So I request this: ANYONE who believes I have shown disrespect to them in ANY way, please post on this topic any quoted posts or Private Messages that demonstrated this. And I request that any Private Messages and posts that aren't quoted in response to this be disregarded, including the alleged Private Messages I sent to Keiru Ruby.
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Keiru Silver
I think we're finally reaching a conclusion here, and I am glad for that. I want least of all to have a world divided again.
I, personally, will not ban you. I see that you wish to continue your story with Arboreal Prowler. You seem to understand that doing so will require careful consideration in the future, but I will give you as much time as you need.
I'm afraid I made many hasty decisions last night, and I do apologize, but I believe that some good has come out of this.
I know that I am perhaps too quick to deal out praise and condemnation, but I would like to take this opportunity to thank you. For not taking the easy way out, for attempting to correct the mistakes, and for trying to clear this situation up; instead of simply leaving and not returning.
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Keiru Silver
As for a list of disrespects, I ask that you NOT post them here. The fire is dying down, and I don't want it to start up again. Anyone who believes themselves disrespected by Prowler, please let it go, or talk to me first. I believe that in trying to right things, he has more than apologized.
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Keiru Ruby
*after eating slice after slice of humble pie*
You're right Prowler, I am over-sensitive and I allowed that to interfere with my judgement on your part. Yes, I admit you highly irritated me, but that is absolutely no excuse to ban you. The only time you smarted off to me was in the PM you sent back to me regarding the spam.
I apologize Arboreal. Though I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't change your obvious feelings toward me. I was mean and unfair to you, and I'm sorry for that.
And I'm not a fan of B. Streisand. ^^;
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Keiru Emerald
I can personally put my feelings in here that even though I brought the charges against you Aboreal, I do not now, nor did I when making this post, want to ban you, we only ask that you tone it down a bit, to which you have already agreed.
This post itself perhaps seemed too threatening, and in short that is my fault, if you saw it as such, and if any of the charges here are truely bogus, it is also by fault of mine.
I must say that though I never jumped to your defense as Silver and Cobalt did, I was not, in all truth, wanting to lose a member from the site. Each and every one of us adds to the greatness of Aeterna, and for even one member unnessecarily lost to our forums, my heart sinks a bit.
Thus, though I hope you will remain here on Aeterna with us, and if you want to hold this whole incident against someone, I do not see why you should not hold it against me. Now more than ever, seeing as parts of your story that were hidden from the common eye have been revealed, I feel a fool for allowing this to come to pass, however I did, and now I do most humbly apologize.
In short, please accept my apology if I did seem too threatenting, and I personally extend to you the chance to write with me on any occation in which it would be possible.
As Silver has said, you may also contact me Via MSN @ jakebroadrick@hotmail.com if you would so choose, for I would enjoy getting to know you, chatting about your story, and perhaps just chatting a bit. That is, if you would have me.
And as an aside, I'll work on your avatar.. I've neglected it for far too long..
On a sorrowful note, and seeking forgivance if it be nessecary,
Keiru Emerald
Note: Aboreal, I'm writing this drunk, so please, plaese, please, don't hold any grammatical errors or typo's against me.. *laughs* However, thanks for jumping to my defense against Silver and his little comedic urges he gets every so often *growls* , BECAUSE I WASN"T DRUNK... I just went crazy for a little while..
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Keiru Emerald
Oh, and I'm closing this thread and Onyx will delete it in two days.
Whether or not you wish to speak with Keiru Ruby or myself again can be handled in PM, and I once again apologize for any wrong I have done as a Keiru, or for any wrong that has been done upon you by any of us.
Cheers
KE
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